Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Toldja So

Never before has a candidate with Hillary Clinton's popularity been treated in the abysmal manner that she has in this primary season. Keep it up, Obamites, and get ready for President McCain.

11 comments:

QuakerJono said...

Wait, Shannon? THE Shannon. Shannon from Maryland isn't voting for Obama because her feelings are hurt?

Oh.

My.

God.

This changes EVERYTHING!

If Shannon from Maryland isn't voting for Obama then he absolutely, positively MUST be doomed.

Because Shannon from Maryland is just that important.

What's that you say? Eli from Massachusetts ALSO isn't voting for Obama? AIEEEEEEEE!!!! He should stop campaigning immediately and we should allow Hillary Clinton to be the nominee because, after all, the Democratic Party is well known to be the party of special interests groups.

And it doesn't get more "special" than this...

Jamie said...

Yes, QJ. That was obviously all about one woman.

Damn I miss that eyeroll smiley.

Tommy said...

No. Its about a voter in Maryland and a voter in Massachussets, where Obama has huge leads.

Its about an article from a partisan news source about an organization that claims only a few thousand members nationally, has raised a paltry sum in the political world, and is founded by a woman who contributed to John McCain.

I think the last time you toldja-us, everyone agreed that there are always pissed off people when thier candidate losses. Something about losing does that to people.

Jamie said...

Tommy, there are three different links there, not one.

The point isn't necessarily that heretofore Clinton voters will vote for McCain. It's more likely they won't vote at all.

And I think the oft-touted belief that all of the PUMA folks are closet republicans just demonstrates the arrogance and ignorance of the current movement. Go ahead and disallow what these folks are saying, and then we'll see how quickly you end up blaming these "few thousand" for Obama's loss in November.

I know a LOT of people who contributed to John McCain in 2000, then voted for Gore when Bush got the nomination. McCain's previous "maverick" status was attractive to a lot of REGISTERED Democrats. These folks gravitated toward Clinton in the primaries, being more naturally independent and moderate than certain liberals. Independent voters decide elections. Refuse to see this at your own peril.

In a land of shaded politics, those who only see black and white never see the full picture.

Tommy said...

"And I think the oft-touted belief that all of the PUMA folks are closet republicans just demonstrates the arrogance and ignorance of the current movement."

And I think that's a strange and absurd talking point, when no one said this but you.

"I know a LOT of people who contributed to John McCain in 2000, then voted for Gore when Bush got the nomination."

Rather my point: "everyone agreed that there are always pissed off people when thier candidate losses. Something about losing does that to people."

"These folks gravitated toward Clinton in the primaries, being more naturally independent and moderate than certain liberals."

And she didn't win, sorry. (Besides, I am shocked and outraged that you would use such demeaning and arrogant language to discount all people who didn't vote for Clinton. Snark)

"Independent voters decide elections. Refuse to see this at your own peril."

I think every voter decides an election but the fact that I don't see your Truth, really dosen't put me in peril, at all.

Jamie said...

And I think that's a strange and absurd talking point, when no one said this but you.

It was alluded to in the first link, from PM, and admittedly partisan source, as you pointed out. Yet that same "closet republican" sentiment has been espoused on DU, Huffpo, etc. quite frequently.

As to the rest, well, you're just as entitled to be wrong as the next person. (Snark right back atchya! lol)

Stephen said...

Any Clinton supporter who votes for McCain is no ally, no friend of liberal/progressive causes and issues. If you compare Clinton's positions on all policies and issues to Obama's and McCain's, there is simply no contest! Clinton and Obama are virtually indistinguishable on the issues, while Clinton and McCain are virtually on opposite sides of every issue!

Any "Clinton supporter" who votes for McCain is either a racist, a fool, or was never a Democrat to begin with. I will withhold judgement on those who choose not to vote at all, or to write in a third candidate.

Tommy said...

"Any "Clinton supporter" who votes for McCain is either a racist, a fool, or was never a Democrat to begin with."

While you have a point about similar policy (it being true that the 'too liberal' meme is absurd when you compare the two positions), some "Clinton supporters" might not have been voting for policy, at all. Obviously if they vote for the Republican or not vote for the Democrat, they aren't a good Democrat (it being a political party, and all, whose mission is to elect its candidates) but I don't think they have to be Republican, fool, or racist. Maybe they vote for whom they like and they just like one person over another (or don't dislike one person over another).

I did note a funny historical point that Jamie aluded to, those McCain supporters who voted for Gore didn't get Gore to the White House, so why is Jamie exited about them?

Jamie said...

I did note a funny historical point that Jamie aluded to, those McCain supporters who voted for Gore didn't get Gore to the White House, so why is Jamie exited about them?

Right. I'm really not going to go into my feelings about that S.C. decision, but they actually did succeed in getting Gore elected.

John said...

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers

There are 72 million registered Democrats and 55 registered Republicans in this country. Yet, the Democrats lose one election after another. And it is hardly surprising. If you look at how much Democrats hate each other, you begin to realize why "strength in numbers" is overrated.

John said...

Ummmm...that should say "55 million," of course. The Republicans might not be the party of the people. But there are more than 55 of them. Heh.